From Sega Retro
This article is massive - it's describing pretty much every Sega console and their top franchises in detail, and seeing as we have pages for most of these things, it seems pointless to have it here. Most of it is made up of remnants of Sonic Retro.
In theory this should be the flagship page of Sega Retro for obvious reasons, yet it's written in a far more informal style than the rest of the wiki and from a North American perspective rather than covering worldwide events. It's also missing quite a lot of history since it only focuses in on the home console wars.
- I'm sure this was taken from Sonic Retro, so it probably was overlooked in the past. I've been meaning to rewrite the console articles (I already did the Game Gear one quite a while ago) but never got around to it; I'm not sure if I know enough about Sega's history to write about it, though I could try later. - Andlabs 15:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Unrelated question - should this page also be divided into "Sega of Japan", "Sega of America", "Sega of Europe" etc. etc.? They all have stories to tell. -Black Squirrel 13:38, 19 March 2011 (CDT)
- I say yes — they are practically separate companies. However.
- Before a major cleanup of this article does happen, I want to know this — how much information on Sega do we really have? Is the console wars the only recorded bit of history on the company? Do we have restructure information? Acquisitions and mergers? Partnerships to get products shipped? Is the electronic/computerized video game industry the only industry we have light shed on? What about the electromechanical days — Scarred Sun knows loads, but who else? The pinball games? Sega Toys? There's so much information; I think it would be better if we make a database of all this — documents, biographies, archives, a merger list, a timeline of restructuring, archive pages, etc. — before doing anything with the article, so we can write a new article from all that. Basically, just a place to put information for a rewrite in the meantime, like a sticky notes thing or meh...
- I sure as fuck don't know much about Sega itself. - Andlabs 13:43, 19 March 2011 (CDT)
- I know enough about how Sega of America and Sega of Europe came about (the 1973 decentralization and all that shit that happened afterwards; SOA comes online in 1975 and while I'm not positive, I think SOE is almost instantly after the 1973 decentralizing). Additionally, there are a lot of affiliate companies from early Sega which are essentially Sega offices that have never been covered...as far as I can tell, ever--things like SOP/CSOI in Panama, Sarl Electronics in southeast Asia, Pitts in Australia, and so forth. Basically, any place that had a post-WWII military base had a branch of Sega there. If I can get enough documentation on hand, I can probably suss the whole LeMaire/Stewart thing out as well, but it's a lot harder to get Japanese government documents than it is for American ones. The problem isn't so much that we don't know these things, but in a LOT of instances, I have maybe 60 percent of the information required. These are things where no one else has bothered to research. Pick my brain and I'll try to give a basic timeline. - Scarred Sun 14:38, 19 March 2011 (CDT)
- And the good thing about wikis is it doesn't matter if we don't have all the facts straight away - people can add and correct things later. However, this page as it stands is attempting to be a "condensed" version of the entire Sega Retro wiki, and that's silly. I suggest that perhaps history is split off somewhere and each division/branch/whatever is given its own page. This could just act as a top level list explaining how the structure works and how it used to work, plus various things about the Sega brand.
- I don't know what the solution is but I'm fairly sure it doesn't contain a description of how Wonder Boy and Shining Force works.
Right, so I rewrote it since it is supposed to be the centerpiece of this place. The reason the style was so informal before? It was all taken from a History of Sega article written by Gamespot back in 2001...yeah. Well, let me know if there's anything glaringly wrong with it.--David The Lurker 14:27, 19 December 2011 (CST)
As the showpiece of Sega Retro, this page is slightly more important than the others (at least in theory), but as great as David's work was/is, it's a bit out of date now.
This page should be about Sega, the company. At the moment it's discussing various Sega ventures from home consoles to Sonic the Hedgehog and whatever - this would be fine for Wikipedia, and as it pre-dates the history pages it can't be blamed, but it needs to be chopped up into bits.
Realistically this page shouldn't be that big - specific regional stuff would go into Sega of Japan, Sega of America and Sega Europe, so this should be more about its origins and interests, only lightly touching on video games. There literally shouldn't be more than a paragraph or two on the subject here - that entire section on the Dreamcast is duplicated on the History of the Sega Dreamcast page.
Instead it should be more about the business as a group, cross referenced with its Annual reports and the like.